Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Search is on. Personal details about Andrew include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. 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Tate has a dark spot on his lung, most likely a tumour, a spokesperson told Mail Online. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. It was Patricias hair no question. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Weak wages. What definition? Lie detectors are pseudo science. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Your email address will not be published. You have permission to edit this article. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. I would have liked better her being put to death! Bookmark. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been jailed in . A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. Hege had jail inmates search the woods behind Rorrer's house on Wilson Road. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Sad discovery. Rorrer was convicted at trial in March 1998 of kidnapping Joann Katrinak, 26, and her 3-month-old son, Alex, on Dec. 15, 1994, from their Catasauqua home, shooting Katrinak in the face, and leaving her and the child in the woods in Heidelberg Township. Chambers also didn't want to speak about her daughter. Join thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their replies, Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? You may not use our site or service, or the information provided, to make decisions about employment, admission, consumer credit, insurance, tenant screening or any other purpose that would require FCRA compliance. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Theres speculation and theres lies period. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. I expect she will admit it one day. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Play it now! Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Sign up for our newsletter to keep reading. Kidnapped and killed? Rorrer waived her extradition rights late Tuesday afternoon. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Andrew J Katrinak, age 68, Drake, CO . And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. She was the one that left Andy! This article is little more than fiction. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Police believe Rorrer abducted and killed her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son in Pennsylvania. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Andrew has not demanded this. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. ``She was real good with kids, good to mine at least,' Jost said. Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Sorry not sorry. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. In 1993, Katrinak married Joann Marie Katrinak and the couple had a son, Alex, the next year. The state police targeted Rorrer as a suspect that summer, and troopers traveled to North Carolina eight or nine times, Kohuth said. You can choose on each post whether you would like it to be posted to Facebook. Phone records dont lie.) Follow him on Twitter @KurtBresswein. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Instead, she took the girl to Myers' stables just about every day. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. ``Her lawyer said anything we say could be used against her,' Chambers said late Tuesday night. Andrew Tate 's legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Just one example. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Mrs. Katrinak's husband, Andrew, reported his wife and son missing in December 1994 after they failed to show up at his mother's house. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? An intensive search was launched, and family members distributed hundreds of missing-person flyers around Pennsylvania. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. What will the next pandemic be? That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Andrew F Katrinak was born on month day 1882, at birth place. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Taking into account various assets, Andrew's net worth is greater than $25,000 - $49,999; and makes between $50 - 59,999 a year. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. I dont even know its Christmas.. Theodore Kohuth, the baby on top of the dead mother. Find 4 people named Andrew Katrinak along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. Hair we go. ALISON BOSHOFF: As Broadchurch star Andrew Buchan and Leila Farzad become a real-life item while sexual electricity crackles between them in new BBC drama, did an earlier role of his give a . Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. ): They boast glorious ocean views, but swathes of homes along America's coastlines are at risk of tumbling off CLIFFS due to erosion, rising sea levels and extreme weather events, Are YOU guilty of these gym sins? Counsel for Patricia Rorrer, 52, argued in Lehigh County Court that investigators mishandled DNA evidence, WFMZ-TV 69 reports. THE COPS SET HER UP. Locked up. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Copyright 2023 PeekYou.com. ", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. Katrinak, Andrew J.Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. All rights reserved (About Us). Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Jealousy was the motive. Thats my life.. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. He said his heart drops a couple of feet every time it rings. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Andrew J Katrinak, 68. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. I think shes guilty for sure. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. WoW! Had there been a switch? Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Court records show she is incarcerated in the Lehigh County Jail. Patty is my cousin. To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. This weekDuke of York said he does not want to leave his mansion in the grounds of Windsor Castle despite telling friends he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. Have you read the book? The evidence was all there. Andrew Katrinak said he found his basement door ajar and removed from its hinges, and a phone line had been cut. Username. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! I noticed quite a few errors myself. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. "His wish is to attend a prearranged consultation in Dubai . I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. He lived in 1928, at address, Connecticut. (A good point. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Hashtags such as #FreeTopG and references to Matrix opposition have flooded social media since the influencers arrest in December. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. All rights reserved. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. 6 people named Andrew Katrinak found in Colorado, Pennsylvania and 3 other states. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Andrew Katrinak in Colorado. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Search it out and check for yourself. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? ``Some people just don't know how to let go,' Hege said. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Its a video on Utube Judges For Justice featuring her case. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. Search their Criminal Records, Contact Info, Photos and More 1) Andrew Katrinak's Phone & Current Address, Andrew Katrinak's Phone #, Address & More, Andrew Katrinak's Contact Info, Social Profiles & More, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@gmail, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@yahoo, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@hotmail, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@aol, View Andrew's Hidden Profiles on Facebook and 60+ Networks, andrew****@outlook. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. 4 Matches for Andrew Katrinak . Now, there are suggestions the family's solution to Andrew potentially losing his home could be to move him into the 'nest egg' Fergie purchased as an investment for their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 34, and Princess Eugenie, 32. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! And NOBODY saw her at all? If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. So, lets take your response one step at a time. On Wednesday morning, sheriff's deputies escorted Rorrer to meet with Fritz. Her daughter, Andrea Bruner, 14, baby-sat for Rorrer's baby daughter last fall. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. That woman has no soul. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. One insider said: 'Andrew is insisting on having a job despite being made to stand down from his duties and now he's being kicked out of his home,' according to The Mirror. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. The attorney, Craig Neely, also argues he has the testimony of a police officer who worked on the case to back up his claim, according to the report. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged in, Please refresh your browser to be logged in, Isabel Oakeshott terminates interview after clashing with presenter over Hancock leak. Published: 20:58 EST, 3 March 2023 | Updated: 21:02 EST, 3 March 2023. It was Mr Tates third appeal against his detention since his arrest. Thats all for this post. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. It makes me sick. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Rorrer, formerly of the Phillipsburg and High Bridge areas, was living in Linwood, North Carolina,. (Nope. New state, new man. The influencers doctors have thus requested for Mr Tates release from prison so he can receive medical treatment in Dubai. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. But thats just some of the ammo on Team Patricias battleship. 5 years prior to all this happening! But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Crying and distraught, she asked him to get in touch with her boyfriend, Ward and ask him to bring her extra underwear and socks. Trash-talking ex. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. I cant lose them, he told the media. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that.